How Big Can You Get Naturally Without Steroids?

One of the eternal bodybuilding questions is:

How big can you get naturally?

Pro bodybuilders and their pimps say that the sky is the limit if you have the right genetics and work like a mad monkey. Since pro bodybuilders and fitness brahs have impressive physiques, the gullible idiots listen to the fairy tales coming through their mouths infested with lies and deception. A stupid move.


What determines muscle growth?

Muscle hypertrophy (increase in the volume of muscle tissues) is largely dependent on the male hormone testosterone.

People who have naturally high testosterone levels are bigger and more muscular than eunuchs, aren’t they? That’s a fact of life.

On average men produce between 30mg and 70mg of testosterone per week and have 20 times higher testosterone levels than females.

Obviously, the muscular development and physical strength of men is superior because of that.

There is not a single exercise program nor a nutritional plan that could change it.

And even though we live in the era of the sensitive brah, men are still stronger than females.

The same principle holds true when comparing natural bodybuilders and bodybuilders on steroids – the latter are always be bigger and stronger due to their higher testosterone levels.

We live in times when pretty much all professional athletes are using some kind of performance-enhancing drugs (PED).

However, the fact that an athlete is injecting anabolic steroids in his system does not mean that his or hers physique cannot be achieved without the drugs.

For example, the popular cyclist Lance Armstrong confessed to using banned substances during his competitive career. According to mainstream media, Armstrong took growth hormone, cortisone, EPO and testosterone. As you can see, this is a long list, and yet there are many natural bodybuilders who are much bigger and stronger than Lance Armstrong.

As far as muscular development is concerned, the physique of Lance Armstrong is achievable naturally. What you will have harder time reaching is his level of endurance.

Besides cycling rock climbing is another sport where more muscle does not equal better performance.

Rock climbers have to be very lean because every gram of non-functional mass is stopping them from moving upwards.

Climbers are not abusing muscle building steroids. They just don’t need to.

The upper bodies of the those athletes, especially the back, forearms and biceps, are crucial to their sport. That’s why if you want to know how big your arm flexors (biceps) and lattissimus dorsi (broadest muscle of the back) can get naturally just look at rock climbers.

Climbers, however, are not very known for their leg development because their sport doesn’t require tremendous leg strength. Also, extra mass in the lower bodymakes climbing harder.

Bone structure is another very important factor.


It’s simple, Columbo: natural bodybuilders with larger bones look bigger.

For example, an athlete with 6′ inches wrists will have smaller arms than a person with 8′ inches wrists because of bone circumference alone.

Another important element you have to consider when doing research on how big you can get naturally are body fat levels.

Being fat and big is much easier than being muscular and ripped.

People always underestimate their body fat levels.

Many permabulkers/fatso swines who are 35% body fat classify themselves as 17% or even 15% because they can see their first two abs under the moonlight.

Later, when they cut they are surprised that they need to lose three times more weight than originally expected.

Below is a guide that shows what most people with good genetics can expect to achieve naturally if they put in the work and become total slaves to bodybuilding.



6′ 2″ (188cm)

197lbs (89kg)

6′ 1″ (185cm)

190lbs (86kg)

6′ (183cm)

184lbs (83.5kg)

5′ 11″ (180cm)

177lbs (80kg)

5′ 10″ (178cm)

170lbs (77kg)

5′ 9″ (175cm)

163lbs (74kg)

5′ 8″ (173cm)

156lbs (71kg)

5′ 7″ (170cm)

149lbs (68kg)

5′ 6″ (168cm)

142lbs (65kg)

5′ 5″ (165cm)

135lbs (62kg)

Note: This chart is based on the following principle: you start at 5′ 5″ (165cm) and 135lbs (62kg) and for every inch (2.5cm) you either add or take away 7 lbs (3kg). Keep in mind that the numbers are just a guideline and are for people who are in contest shape and have favorable bodybuilding genetics.

Factors to consider:

Time and money – most people have to work for a living and only a minority of the fitness enthusiasts have the luxury to dedicate large amounts of financial resources and time to bodybuilding and other recreational purposes. The bodybuilding lifestyle is expensive – you have to pay for food, gym memberships, supplements…etc. Some individuals are just not in a position to sacrifice that much in the quest for a good physique.

Being alive is more important than having a good physique.

Stress levels – stress levels also play a huge role. The more stressed you are, the less muscle you can grow.

But can anyone truly live a stress free life?

Only dead people can!

In conclusion

The system has given us nothing but lies and politically correct marketing nonsense.

We are living in a fabricated reality.

The masters are holding us in a labyrinth by playing with our own heads and keeping us in a state of perpetual disconnection.

The next time you compare yourself to a popular natural bodybuilder keep all of this in mind.

And before engaging in self-destruction ask yourself:

Is all of this worth it?


  1. LeaguePlayer:D

    Eugene Sandow was 90 kilos for 1m75 . He died 92 years ago. He didn’t train chest.
    Peter Krylov was 88 kilos for 1m70. 72 cm waist. He was born in 1871.
    George Hackenschmidt was 99 kilos for 1m75, shredded. He was born in 1877.
    Hermann Görner was 120+ kilos for 1m85, shredded. April 13, 1891 – June 29, 1956.
    Arthur Saxon was 90 kilos for 1m78. 1878-1921.

    According to these guidelines all these guys are roided freaks 😀

    Come on people can get much better results that what’s mentionned here!

    1. Truth Seeker Post author

      Those stats are fake. The “retro” lifters were much smaller and fatter than you think. They boosted their numbers just like Arnold said he had 22-inch arms, but later they were measured at a little over 19 inches. Moreover, those men obviously had decent genetics.

      Get to 200lbs/91 kg shredded to the bone at any height below 6’4″ naturally and call me.

      I will change the numbers right away.

          1. I Art Laughing

            Yeah, because they clearly blow up your “Tren” arguments. Your level of shitposting is epic.

            So can you show me the computer they shopped Sandow’s “impossible” physique with or show me the 19th century steroid regime he was on?

            Either that or start dispensing tin foil because you are on a new level of conspiracy theorizing that I cannot attain to.

  2. Dean

    I like how if anything doesn’t suit your perspective it’s automatically ‘fake’. I’m not even going to bother with reasoning with you, you’ll just think up another BS story to justify your beliefs.
    Your probably one of those guys that have spent years doing ‘bro splits’ with little to no results and have come to the conclusion that ‘if I can’t do it, it’s not possible’.

    1. Truth Seeker Post author

      In the video, I don’t see a man weighing 90kg/198lbs at 175cm/5’9”, which is massive.

      I have a hard time believing he is over 165lbs/75 kg in that video.

      Also, those arms in the video are definitely not anywhere near 18 inches – 15, 16 inches at best.

  3. Visto

    I don’t completely disagree with the article. but you greatly undermine naturals abilities. Sure those numbers are for freaks. But I think most people especially the 6’1 plus will reach 180lbs+ at 10%bf which is respectable by normal standards and its light years behind with what’s steroids users look like even at same weight. As for getting to 200lbs be happy to have it in your dreams unless you willing to be fat.

  4. Robert Smith

    I’m 6ft 230lbs and natural. I carry some bodyfat, last measured at 25%. I train primarily for powerlifting and focus almost exclusively on the main compound movements and have been lifting for 9 years.
    I have seen lifters larger and stronger than I am who I believe to natural.

    The figures listed here seem to be what is achievable in a short space of time naturally, most should be able to exceed them given enough time and devotion.

    1. Visto

      there is nothing special about being 25% bf it’s counterproductive at best unless looking good naked is not your thing.

    2. Hancock

      Those stats in the table are for contest ready physiques if I understood correctly. So if you subtract 20% of your weight of fat, you get withing the limits of the table. So much so, that it’s almost like you reverse engineered those stats of yours 😀

      1. Robert Smith

        You make a good point Hanock, the table does’t really stipulate that you’d go down to 5%.

        As somebody more focused in the actual lifts it would be interesting to know what people think is possible naturally there.
        My best lifts to date are (kg): 280kg deadlift; 210kg squat (paused); 150kg bench press (paused); 97.5kg strict overhead.

        I really think it’s possible to get well into the 300’s naturally on deadlift but it would require years of dedication and great genetics.

  5. cliff

    Having high testosterone levels comes with health risks. Statistics show mwn with high levels of this hormone are at increased risk of developing enlarged prostrates. Big muscles and big prostrates I guess

  6. natty

    This isn’t bad. Maybe it’s just because I never planned on becoming huge, but I found these guidelines encouraging. I started at 5’9 and skinny 140 lbs. After six months of calisthenics, I am around 155 lbs and lean. This has made a big difference in my appearance, even though it is spread over my whole body. Much of my old clothing doesn’t fit any more. I am getting favourable comments both from people who know me and those who didn’t know me before. I feel better, have more confidence, sleep like a baby, and have more success with women.

    Natural exercise has a lot going for it, even if you don’t become “big” like a bodybuilder.

    I chose calisthenics because I am lazy and don’t want to go to the gym. I also travel a lot and can’t count on having a particular set of equipment. As for nutrition, I am a vegetarian, so I take one scoop (30g) of whey protein concentrate per day to supplement my protein intake, which might not be necessary.

    I am hoping that I can reach 160 lbs, 20 lbs over my natural skinny weight. What I like about my calisthenics routine is that I can continue doing this forever, anywhere, and be fitter than the vast majority of men. I understand that in old age, my testosterone will decline and I will get a bit smaller, but I see guys in their 60s and 70s exercising in the park and still looking great.

    So I don’t think your numbers, or your message, need to cause despair. The only problem is unreasonable expectations, which I believe you are doing good work in tackling. Thanks!

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