The Vegans Vs. Meat Eaters wars between famous YouTube fitness clowns are getting intense. I’ve watched small segments of a few video battles, and all I can say is this:
Today, vegans and meat eaters are both unethical. So, please, shut up, bozos! Have some sense of modesty. Neither of the groups is superior.
MEAT EATERS
Many humans treat animals like soulless matter. Animals are tortured, abused and killed so that we can have food, leather wallets, shoes, watch bands, pants, belts, strings for musical instruments, shaving brushes and many other things.
The abuse has reached epic proportions. The video material revealing how animals “live” prior to their death in slaughterhouses represents one of the most depressing imageries that you could ever see in your life. Therefore, it’s only natural for people who are not psychopaths to feel guilty that their future meals and clothes have to go through hell so that we can continue to watch TV and kill each other.
I understand those beliefs. I have passed through the same angry phase a couple of times. I no longer eat some animal products although I don’t think that has changed the world. I do it for selfish reasons. I want my little human soul to fall asleep a little easier at night.
source: https://pixabay.com/en/users/RyanMcGuire-123690/ Most cows live in worse conditions.
Yet I am not going to tell you that meat is bad for you because I simply don’t believe that’s true. Meat contains many nutritional elements and blows grass (vegan products) out of the water every single time. You can choose to debate this, but first, ask yourself this – why is quality meat always more expensive than carbs? Because carbs are cheaper to gather/produce and have a lower nutritional value. Meat has once been alive and is closer to our genetic structure. Plants and waffles are not.
I also don’t buy the claims that animal products are behind cancer. I am not saying that they can’t contribute, especially if the meat is of poor quality and has spent most of its existence in contaminated warehouses. However, you have to be a complete idiot to believe that you can make yourself cancer-proofed if you don’t eat meat. The truth is that you can get sick with or without animal products in your diet. I personally know really old people who have been eating meat throughout their entire lives and haven’t died from cancer.
When it comes to cancer, you can never be sure. For example, my grandmother died at a relatively young age from liver cancer without knowing what alcohol is.
The propaganda idiots can’t buy me with their stupid studies. I simply don’t care what the studies say. There are so many of them that you can always find one that supports your position. Meat is a natural food, and the fact that we treat animals like garbage does not change this fact. Humans have survived for so long precisely thanks to meat eating.
At the risk of repeating myself, I will say once again that I don’t approve the immense disrespect towards animals that has been tolerated for far too long by us and the cruel food industry. It’s disgusting and shows that humans think that this world belongs to them. We may be intellectually superior to animals, but our minds can sometimes be a million times sicker.
Today, the only meat I eat is fish. It suffers slightly less compared to other animals, and it is not a mammal.
VEGANS
The number of hypocrites among vegans is as high as Everest. Here’s the truth, banana eaters. The vegan movement exists thanks to the so-called “free market”, corporate fascism and modern day slavery. That’s how you get those bananas in places where only YETI lookalikes can live.
What most vegans forget or completely ignore is that very often their bananas are stolen from third world countries. Yes, you are reading that correctly. Your “pure” organic bananas are taken from poor people.
souce: tpsdave Veganism thrives on exploitation.
Many third world countries export all kinds of resources (e.g., food, gold, silver, coal…etc.) for pennies to bigger states with better standing armies. The local politicians take massive bribes and allow domestic and foreign corporations to take full control of the natural resources. This is one of the biggest thefts. The same system applies to your “bananas” and barley.
The next time you eat your precious “ethical” nuts, I want you to look at each one of them and stab your fingers with a needle ten times in order to stimulate what it takes to pick a single unit from a tree and prepare it for the mouths of the consumers.
You know who does that for you? Animals called humans.
Vegans call themselves ethical, but where are the ethics in exploiting poor people?
Can you enjoy your food knowing that it has been stolen from the hungry population of another country and processed by people receiving minimal wages?
Would you still call yourself ethical and good just because you don’t eat meat?
Another important element that has made vegans’ lives possible is technology which screws the planet in a whole new way.
How do you think those products reach your country?
It happens with the help of airplanes and trucks which use an ocean of fuel. Without those inventions, there will be no vegans today. You can’t eat grass all day. Sorry, but you are not a cow.
When I make this statement, vegans usually respond by saying that their food religion is a representation of the human evolution. Here’s what they claim: “We were originally meat eaters. Then, we developed modern equipment allowing us to live on fruits and vegetables.”
I’ve even heard from some vegans that the next step in our evolution is to eliminate plant based food too and live on solar power only. Nice try, call me when that happens. I am sorry, but I don’t think humans are built for photosynthesis. Besides, how will countries with insufficient sun exposure exist? How do you plan to export solar energy?
Honestly, I don’t see veganism as a form of evolution. It’s simply a trend with some good sides to it. I also agree that we should limit animal products. There are many soulless bastards who skin animals alive only to make a pair of cheap boots. Obviously, this is a form of mental sickness.
However, there is also another point of view. The synthetic stuff is derived from petroleum oil and natural gas. The extraction and production of those can actually wreak havoc on the entire planet. More importantly, millions of people have died in the never-ending oil wars. Therefore, even if you are a synthetic guy – you are still technically supporting something unethical.
The third law of Newton says: “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” In other words, life on this dualistic planet requires the death of living things.
It’s like gravity – inevitable. Every escape is nothing but a mirage. What we can try to do, however, is damage control.
How many banana plantation workers in a third world country prematurely die in average per 1000 kilograms of the exported product? How many pigs die in average per 1000 kilograms of pork?
One could rephrase your misleading text into a single phrase: “Impossibility to be 100% ethical means a good excuse to be 0% ethical”. Is it what you have tried to tell us?
BTW did you know that besides killing of 199 animal individuals an average meat eater consumes yearly about 61 kilograms of soybeans grown in a “third world country” ? An average vegan consumes only 6 kilograms of soybeans yearly.
I love it when people argue against vegans by blaming them for stuff they can’t control. If you want to get honest, we are all being forced on an unhealthy diet based on corn, wheat and soy. Our U.S. government and big bussiness put all the real food growers out of business so they can control the population. The sicker the better. Easy to control and paying out the nose for pills. They make vegans pay for the meat by subsidizing the animal feed and then say we cannot afford to eat anything but McDonald’s. Now you need to find an old person if you want to ask what food is supposed to look like. I don’t think anybody voted to replace all our crops with this system except the few rich people who think of the human population the same way most people see livestock. Stop saying shut up for people thinking for themselves. You might as well be working for the Koch Brothers.
Your vegan soy consumption figure is waaaaaaaay off. That’s only a tad over 1/2 ounce per day. Even processed into tofu, it’s less than an ounce per day, and not even 1/2 pound per week. Considering all the fake cheese, the fake deli slices, the fake burgers, the fake sausages, the fake roasts, and the soy oil (“vegetable” oil) vegans routinely consume–in addition to all the tofu, edamame, TVP and whatnot–that’s a lot of soy. And don’t forget the vegan reliance on other monoculture crops like wheat, rice, and corn.
Your banana-pork argument isn’t exactly built on a solid foundation, either. It’s not necessarily about death (although sometimes it is), but I would argue that even one horribly exploited human is worse than a million dead pigs. Specist? Of course, because I value human life over animal life. But vegans are notoriously specist when it comes to animals, because they value the life of one cow over the hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands of creatures killed in the process of bringing a small amount of grain to market (think birds, bunnies, mice, insects, voles, the occasional deer, or lost cat or dog, along with a ton of others). And saying that it’s different, because you didn’t intend for it to happen is a cop out.
They also typically don’t bother to think of the slave or slave-like conditions many agricultural workers are subjected to in order to bring them their tomatoes, peaches, and lettuce. Nor do they seem to care about the fate of people down south who are being hurt by your coffee and quinoa fixation.
They don’t seem to factor in the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico that was created by monoculture crop cultivation. They don’t seem to care about the damage growing corn for ethanol causes, nor do they think of the plight of the sugarcane workers in some areas.
And to go back to the banana-pork analogy, I would ask how many cows are killed so that people can have leather shoes or furniture? Basically none, as they’ve already been killed for their food product. Their hides are just stuff the slaughterhouses need to dispose of. The fact that they make a little money (very little, from what I’ve seen) in the process is incidental. So eschewing leather clothing and furniture–as vegans do–is plain stupid and wasteful. Instead, vegans will buy synthetic crap that requires oil, chemicals, and other things that are environmentally destructive.
To close, I’d just like to add that the whole industrial agricultural system is a nightmare. That includes both plants and animals. If you truly care, get your food locally from farmers who practice sustainable, regenerative, organic agriculture, and who treat their animals humanely.
Finally, there is no life without death. Plenty of critters will die to bring you food, no matter your ideology. And there is some debate about whether plants can feel. If it turns out they can, where do the vegans go from there? Only eating fruit that has dropped to the ground? Good luck with that, and try not to eat any insects, worms, or larvae. Or maybe you can just live off of sunshine and air. LMAO, but some people claim just that. Well, at least until they’re spotted at McDonald’s wolfing down a dozen cheeseburgers.
So meat eaters dont also eat bananas and nuts etc?
One of the points of veganism is to massively reduce the suffering in the world. Nobody is saying it will abolish it completely..
You cant avoid eating fruit and veg etc, but you can go without animal products. Stop trying to make out like its ok, cause you cant win the moral argument.
@John:
Sorry, but you missed the point.
This is not about making veganism bad in any kind, the author even mentions the positive aspects.
But it´s about the attitude of plenty of vegans stating to be more ethical than meat eaters. And you are absolutely hitting the cliche.
To pick up you´re argument about the soybeans…what about the other tons of fruits and veggies imported from 3rd world countries vegans need to cover their nutrition and the mentioned synthetic clothings?
Just for the record, I do eat meat, but very limited, so I´m not meeting the average 61kg per year and I also acknowledgethe positive side of vegan nutrition in terms of heart diseases for example, but I definitely can´t stand this “I´m-a-better-person-because-I-don’t-consume-animal-products”-attitude.
Cheers!
I like eating more so vegan style for health reasons. But truth is they put pesticides on the plants.
So WTF? If you eat meat in a 3rd world country, you get increased chances of catching worms. I’ve also experienced eating more plant based whole foods to be better for weight management, fullness, satisfaction, and energy.
Either way it’s like you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Fuck the extremists. I don’t play that game. They’re just trying to sell you stuff.
Very disappointed by this article. Misinformation and superficiality are the main themes. I totally agree with john smith’s comment: “if you can’t be 100% ethical then why even bother trying to be a bit?” seems to be the message. You admit the atrocities towards the animals yet you say going vegan won’t make any difference. If that’s the case, I honestly don’t know what else could. Don’t you think that the more people go vegan, thus decreasing meat demand, the less animals get killed?
Vegans are hypocrites because many plant products are obtained by exploiting 3rd world labour?
What about the exploitation of the oceans, deforestation, greenhouse gas emissions (51 % of total due to animal agricolture), waste of water, waste of food that we feed to the animals we’re going to kill instead of feeding it to people, in addition to billions of land animals and trillions of sea animals killed each year?
Veganism is not perfection. It’s about causing the less amount of harm possible.
Based on the results of over 800 studies, WHO recently labeled processed meats as group 1 carcinogens like asbestus, tobacco smoke and benzene. Red meats were classified group 2a, possibly carcinogenic in humans. The evidence against meat and dairy products is overwhelming. Go take a look at non profit website nutritionfacts.org, just to mention one.
Last but certainly not least, claiming the superiority of meat on plant products based on the fact that “meat has once been alive and is closer to our genetic structure as humans” is total nonsense. Seriously, is this a joke? Aren’t leaves, fruits and seeds alive? Even better: if fresh, they’re still alive when we consume them while meat is dead and already in advanced state of decomposition. Simply, meat consumption doesn’t suit human requirements just as plant foods don’t suit a lion’s food requirements. We, as primates, are supposed to live on plant foods like all other primates mainly do and like our anatomy suggests.
I was just trying to say that far too many vegans think they are creating an utopia. Such thing does not exist here. Every smile is paid with a tear. It may not be yours, but someone’s crying for you.
“WHO” says only processed meats are carcinogens (no duh, you really needed an “expert” to tell you this?), while Red meat is POSSIBLY carcinogenic, in other words we aren’t sure and we are just guessing. Also, is this red meat from all the chemicals we put into the animal or is it from all red meat including “grass fed all natural beef” that they guess is bad? Could it be from the amount of red meat we eat, like over consumption? How about the way it’s prepared? High temp over cooked is also carcinogenic. Your bias seems to blind you from asking questions or you’re gullible and beleive anything without question. The 800 studies made are mainly random people who are not health concious, people who aren’t health concious tend to engage in unhealthy lifestyles such as smoking, drinking in excess, drug abuse, etc. ONLY 1 study so far has been attempted and that was the 11000 in the uk. This one study took a 17 year follow up and concluded that both groups of health concious vegan and meat eaters had the same mortality rate. No health benifits over the other. (Key TJA, et al. Dietary habits and mortality in 11000 vegetarians and health conscious people: results of a 17 year follow up. Br Med J 1996;313:775″9) Sooo maybe you should do your own research instead of reciting “hear say” and start asking questions.
As for your “we are primates and should eat veggies like the rest” argument, it’s ridiculous, so ridiculous I urge you to do more research on your “facts”, I’m not going to explain this one to you.
“WHO recently labeled processed meats as group 1 carcinogens like asbestus, tobacco smoke and benzene. Red meats were classified group 2a, possibly carcinogenic in humans. The evidence against meat and dairy products is overwhelming.”
No, it’s anything but. First of all, you have to realize that the kind of studies used cannot generally be used to establish causality. Second of all, the associations were generally quite weak and often statistically insignificant. There are bazillions of confounding factors at work, and no amount of statistical voodoo applied after the fact can ever compensate.
The standard for using epidemiological studies to establish causation is quite difficult to pass. With smoking, it was easy, as smokers had 15 to 30 times the risk cancer risk of non-smokers, and there was a clear dose-response relationship (the more you smoked, the likelier you were to get cancer). But with red meat, the relative risk was only 1.5, based on an analysis of 35 studies. Since anything under 2.0 is considered incapable of making a causative judgment, it was very irresponsible of the WHO to do what they did. And scaring people by trying to compare the result with smoking and benzene exposure was merely an artifact of their ridiculous classification system.
Moreover, there was not a clear dose-response relationship. In fact, the opposite proved true in many studies, with the people who ate the most red meat having LESS cancer. In some cases, men who ate more meat had less colon cancer, but more rectal cancer. And in the Women’s Health Study, they found a strong INVERSE relationship between red meat consumption and colon cancer.
And let’s not forget that there are a ton of confounding factors. People have been told for many decades to cut fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, and salt. The more health conscious individuals often took this advice to heart, while others didn’t care.
People who a lot of processed meat and red meat are more likely to smoke, less likely to exercise, less likely to eat many fruits or veggies, more likely to be obese or have diabetes, and a myriad of other things.
Also keep in mind that ANY change from the SAD (Standard American Diet) is likely to produce positive results, as it’s pretty hard to make a diet worse than that. So ascribing the benefits of eating less red meat to better health outcomes is much more likely to have to do with a shift away from the SAD diet than anything else.
They’ve compared mortality statistics for veggies and omnivores. When compared under similar scenarios, there is no difference.
It’s also worth noting that basically all of the studies done on veggies has been for VEGETARIAN diets, NOT vegan diets. They are NOT the same thing, and you cannot use vegetarian data to support a vegan diet. There has never been a successful vegan population in the history of mankind. What you see now is an experiment. And if you look around, you will find no shortage of vegan horror stories. You might make it 6-10 years before your health declines, but it’s a common phenomenon. You might now. Some people are more adapted to certain diets than others. But you certainly shouldn’t beat yourself up for not being able to stick with a vegan lifestyle when your body is simply not up to the challenge.
I didn’t even make it that long. I was quite a bit below my protein requirements. It may not be the most common thing in the world, but it certainly does happen. I didn’t eat fake meat products and I hated tofu, so I pretty much relied on a smattering of Indian dals here and there, along with some rice and naan. I ate lots of vegetables, but my fruit consumption was much lower than today. I would have eggs and/or cheese once in a while, or sometimes yogurt and/or honey in a smoothie, so I wasn’t strictly vegan (save for at the beginning), but I was 80-90% of the time.
FWIW, dairy cows and laying hens actually suffer the worst conditions in the industrial animal agricultural system, so you’re better off eating a steak or pork chop than eating omelettes, veggie pizzas, lasagnas, or ice cream. That said, Going vegan is usually a lot harder than going ova-lacto vegetarian for most people, so I understand why most veggies tend to put that out of their mind.
When it comes to processed meats, lots of people like to blame nitrates/nitrites. This is rather ridiculous, however, since your saliva is chock full, as is celery and celery juice, and yet nobody complains about them. If you get “nitrate/nitrite-free” processed meats, they’ve simply used celery juice instead. And since we know that the salt content is not an issue for the vast majority of the population, that really only leaves the amount of fat as a distinguishing characteristic. Yeah, there’s definitely more fat. Same with most ground beef. And given the anti-fat and anti-saturated fat crusades that have been waged for many decades, it’s likely that any associations that crop up with processed meat have more to do with confounding factors than anything else. So they’re likely not actually measuring the alleged harmful effects of processed meat, but rather the effect of a poorer quality of diet/lifestyle overall.
The WHO would do well to damn things that we actually know cause problems, such as fluoride, aluminum, plastic (just because it’s BPA-free doesn’t mean it’s OK), heavy metals, particulate pollution, pesticides (OK, they went after glyphosate), and the 84,000 chemicals in our various cosmetic items from shampoo to antiperspirant to soaps, lotions, and makeup, many of which are toxic and have never been evaluated for safety in the US (we’ve banned 9 of them, but the EU has banned 1300).
Nobody seems too worried about all the endocrine disruptors out there, the side effects of many medications, such as statins, which don’t generally help anyone, or the issues with supplements that have virtually zero regulation in the US thanks to Orrin Hatch, et al. Yet people dutifully get their flu shots (containing mercury unless you get a single vial dose), which have a horrible track record, and yet only 3000-some people die of the flu each year in the US.
On the other hand, prescription medications, properly prescribed and taken as directed, kill over 100,000. And that’s probably a really low estimate, as there’s not way to know what some of these meds do over time, especially when combined with other meds.
And what about more pressing issues like global warming, bee colony collapse, the destruction of our topsoil (we only have 60 years left, and then what?), and other issues related to tillage agriculture? We’re fortunate that a teenager in Oregon found a way to cheaply and effectively desalinate water recently, so the water wars may be averted, but what about everything else? The veggies and vegans worry about the cows belching up methane, but there were tens of millions of bison roaming the US before we killed them off and replaced them with cows, not to mention all the other herbivores. So we didn’t change anything. If we get rid of the cows, the other ruminants come back. The amount of animals available everywhere astounded the people who came here from Europe, and the bounty was so rich that they didn’t bother too much growing vegetables.
And the land ruminants graze on is unsuitable for crops, so the land use argument is just plain stupid. Moreover, they don’t need all these inputs of grain and water. Cows are not supposed to eat grain. It makes them sick and the chance of E Coli skyrockets. Let them eat grass, and use smart rotational grazing practices with other animals to regenerate the soil, rather than deplete it.
FTR, those massive water use figures you see attributed to hamburger production are totally baseless. They calculated the amount of rain that lands on the ground that the cows occupy and the land that the grain they feed to the cows occupies. HELLO! That rain will fall regardless! It has NOTHING to do with the cows. Cows on pasture actually don’t use much water at all. They’re often watered via gravity from a rainwater collection point uphill or rely on natural sources. And they don’t need any grain at all. And grass is free. And they help with carbon sequestration by chowing down on the grass and regenerating the soil. Keep in mind that grasslands are roughly equal to rainforests in terms of carbon sequestration. And they’re apparently just as diverse ecologically.
If you want to talk about water hogs, try plants being grown where they have no business being grown, as is the case in huge sections of California. Almonds, anyone? Drive through the central part of the state from Sacramento to San Diego, and it’s more-or-less a desert. If they didn’t plant all those crops, the dirt would probably blow around and make the 1930s dust bowl look tame.
And then you have places like Palm Springs, which has all these green golf courses everywhere, despite the fact that it’s a hell-hole of heat. Eventually, climate change will force migration. Lots of places will be underwater, while others become completely uninhabitable, or (at the very minimum) extremely inhospitable. And because the changes will impair crop production, we’ll have less food to go around. You can’t just move the crops to Canada or Greenland. Fertile soil takes time to develop, and those regions will be nowhere near ready when the s**t hits the fan.
You won’t be able to save humanity with a vegan diet. Animal agriculture is actually vitally important to a well-managed system. Moreover, too much reliance on just a handful of crops (primarily wheat, rice, corn, and soy, and potatoes, but also smaller amounts of oats, barley, rye, teff, sorghum, millet, sweet potatoes, cassava, etc.) could spell disaster under the right conditions. Drought, pests, floods, or even fire could all seriously cripple production. In the US, we grow obscene amounts of corn, but almost none of it is suitable nutrition. It’s either turned into ethanol, fed to animals, or converted into high-fructose corn syrup, an anti-nutrient that has no redeeming value. Some gets turned into masa (tortillas and tamales), but I don’t think it amounts to all that much.
And because we use artificial inputs to grow the stuff, all-the-while stripping all the other nutrients from the soil, the nutritional value of the food grown has plummeted.
Ultimately, the vegan wet dream of a plant-eating society is not only impossible, but undesirable. It’s bad for us, the environment, and the economy. And even if it could be done, people simply wouldn’t do it, at least not if they have a choice. We should abolish industrial agriculture of all kinds, and the sooner the better, but it’s not exactly something that can be done overnight.
Vegans should join forces with others who want to dispense with the industrial nightmare, rather worrying about whether people are eating animal products or not. Odd as it may seem, the vegan and paleo people have more in common than you might suspect. Most vegans view the paleo types as their worst enemy, unfortunately.
And since there are a lot of vegans in academic circles, you find a lot of paleo-attack studies and articles. Most of them don’t even understand paleo (or intentionally misinterpret it), and nitpick every little thing, thinking they’ve somehow “won.” LOL. In reality, all they’ve done is misrepresent paleo, which is more of an adaptable concept than a rigid prescription like veganism. There are actually many different branches of paleo, so you can’t say things like paleo people don’t eat grains, potatoes, dairy, legumes, and little fruit. Far from it.
Low-carb and ketogenic diets are also attacked frequently by vegans, who basically think of them as bacon, sausage, egg, and steak diets. Yet keto keeps protein low and relies on a lot of vegetable fats like avocados and macadamia nuts, along with eating high-fiber veggies. And low-carb has such a range of what’s considered low-carb that it’s almost useless. In the Atkins sense, it’s fairly well-defined, but most people don’t understand the ‘right way’ to do this diet, and that includes the people on it, to say nothing of the vegan critics.
Much like you can be vegan and eat crap, you can be low-carb and eat lots of crap. Ditto gluten-free. A gluten-free diet can be fantastic. But that’s when it’s naturally gluten-free, not because you buy gluten-free junk in the aisles of your grocery store. Same with low-carb. Truth be told, virtually everything that says vegan, gluten-free, or low-carb on the package should be avoided. Then again, most things that come in a package are best avoided (things with a single ingredient excepted, and other simple formulations)
The murder of animals is beyond incredible. It is absolutely far more ethical to supply 3rd world workers with employment, albeit exploitative employ, than to saw up sensitive living creatures with chainsaws. There is no argument. And, unless you have spent time in these 3rd world countries, you have only illusions of the lifestyle. I’ve spent time all over the earth – not a day on vacation – lived there. In Nicaragua, the banana plantation workers make ~equal to our 15 dollars a day. Yet they are the happiest people, living on acres of land in mostly shared houses. They are not financially prosperous, but they raise happy families, have constant unfettered sex, eat like kings, and party all night long. It is not as you might propose. This is only one example. It is quite the same in Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, etc. Nevertheless, the argument is not IF it is ethical or not, but, IF it is MORE ethical! The vegans are definitely correct on that matter. By the way, I am not a vegan, but a big meat-eater. Still, I am rational and able to understand that a tough work day proposed against carving up a living creature while it is fully conscious is no ethical comparison at all! Are some vegans complete ASSES? Yes, and also ugly to look at as well.But that does not alter the resident truths. The state of these “exploited” people is a happy one. The state of those animals is despicable, evil, satanic brutality at its height.
This is the worst article I have ever had the misfortune of reading.
Are you trying to say that bananas are eaten exclusively by vegans? Are you saying that, because it is not 100% ethical, vegans should give up trying altogether and contribute to the slaughter of animals?
(Hot tip: if I started eating meat, I’m not going to give up plant based foods altogether. I’ll be an omnivore, just like yourself apparently, thus contributing to both unethical food industries).
By saying, “fuck both groups” you are saying people who attempt to leave the smallest footprint they can, are just as bad as people who make zero effort at all.
I hate vegans and niggers
Fuck you with a sandpaper condom.
Meat eaters are more brutal to animals while vagans might seem merciful but hypocrites to people. They love animals but they don’t love people. They love preaching and forcing people to think like them. But even Jesus also eats meat, God doesn’t agree with them.
Human beings are selfish and sinful. We spend too much time in debates and arguments and too less time in loving our family and friends.
We all have compassion over animals, we all have. God said He gave plants and animals for humans as food after the Flood, and we were made omnivores. God can make humans eating grass like the Zebra, but He made us Omnivores.
It’s not very pleasing when Vagans criticised the meat eaters. Why do you criticised them? They’re allowed, permitted to eat meat by God. Afterall, all animals are His.
You can suggest to enforce better treatments for animals, which we all agree. But you cannot blame them for eating meat. Who are you to blame them? They’re created by God Almoghty. So, feel proud to be an omnivores and receive all your food with a thankful heart to the Lord.
You pretty much explain my point, thank you.
A vegan.
I think the point of thi article is to say we should stop pointing fingers each other. There is no way to be 100% ethical, but yes we can do our bit to minimize the damage we ALL make Vegans/Meat Eaters.
I used to be Vegan (was always sick) and have now become an occasional meat eater (wellbeing, sickness everything improved, and weight) I would say, I eat meat once a week (to get the essential nutrients) bought from my local organic/free range farmer.
The cattle are grass-fed and raised in THE most humane way and their end is relatively painless. I am from the UK, yes we have mass scale factory farming which I disagree with and do not buy meat from supermarkets.
The US though have a catastrophic problem with mass scale factory farming and ill treatment of animals compared to the EU, they should really sort that out/though probably not anytime soon with that numpty Trump in power…
Anyway, we should do what we can in the most mindful way whether meat or veg eaters.
One more thing. Their is a tribe called Hadza in Tanzania, Africa. These people, hunt for meat (obviously not processed), eat tubers, berries and so on (mostly high fat and low carb). These are some of the healthiest people on the planet (reasearch it)…
So, those vegans who like to lump processed meat and grass-fed meat together in their studies to say meat is bad for you and causes cancer, should really reasearch properly, with an unbiased mind and do a study involving people eating grass-fed meat NOT factory farmed/processed shit.
Would love to see how that turns out!
Peace 🙂
Vegans. Losers. Same thing. Spare me your brainwashed logic. You are no different than gun nuts and military nuts, just a different type of brainwashing with the same result of feeling superior. Die, please. Yes, die.
Totally agree with this. Vegans need to stop with the ‘holier than thou’ attitude. It’s the reason most people take the movement for a joke. There are people who eat meat that do a ton more for animals than the average vegan ever would by mass campaigning, animal rescue and taking the fight to the source etc. Yes they go out there and try to make a real change instead of being a keyboard warrior/troll. So get of your high horse, eat your soy and stop victimizing people because they are not on the same ethical level,with regard to animals, as you. On the other hand meat eaters also need to stand up and take a stance against the meat industry’s treatment of animals. Eat your meat but eat ‘clean’ meat if you catch my drift (I await the vegan comment that the meat is not really clean lol). Peace
im sorry I have to say I have tried “vegan” food and felt like I was eating fuckign cardboard … me and the wife gave it a 2 month try and have come to the conclusion of fuck that give us a nice big 20oz rump steak flash fried still going moo with eggs, bacon and black pudding and still going any day of the week.
I will only buy it from the farm about 1 mile down the road from me as I know the animals have had a good life before being killed for my meals in a humane way
the chicken are free roaming and are only locked up at night to stop foxes getting to them and the cows are alive for 4 years in open fields before slaughtered and hung for 21 days.
kids are also allowed to go there and pet the animals and are taught from a young age these animals will end up being killed so they can have food on there table and eggs for breakfast and milk before bed.
fact is .. the human body has evolved over (earliest recorded humans with “BONE” TOOLS) 2.4 million years to consume meat for 80% of the nutrients the human body needs … to throw that in the bin and say hey humans have evolved in 20-30 years not to need meat only plants (in some fruit loops thinking, solar powered)is frankly absurd and insulting to our ancestors.
you can take Supplements but sorry to say they only give a FRACTION over what meat can give and have also proven to cause some health effects in them selves due to what they make them from
real vs synth .. real wins hands down sorry .. true fact
Laughing at the whiny vegan commenters who misunderstood everything in the article, start slinging “facts” around to suit their case and are convinced that the way THEY eat and live is different and the best =D